Talk:Pope Leo X

Pagan art

The essential paganism of the Renaissance art and literature was not then perceived; and even now that is fully understood the prestige which Leo gave the church remains but little impaired. The hostility of the Renaissance to Catholicism has been unanswerably shown by Catholic writers themselves, but the popular imagination only notes that Raphael and Michelangelo wrought in the name of religion, and at the bidding of a pope. However severely then Leo may be judged from the strictly sacerdotal point of view, sacerdotalism itslef cannot deny its obligations to him; while, from the point of view of liberal culture, he appears as near perfect in his ecclesiastical character as that character admits.

I cut out this section, the statements of the author are pretty dubious. Arguements can be made for what the author is stating, but they should certainly not be considered unquestioned facts. -SimonP

The definition, however, and the recall of paganism, are not new. It is mostly connected with the depiction of naked bodies, so a matter of sexual morality. The frequent mythological themes are only (or mainly) evaluated as classical (or neoclassical) inspirations.

About sex, we should note that it is with Giotto that the first genitals appear in a fresco, centuries after classic art. Rinascimento (Renaissance) collected what popularly was changing in moral costumes, with a decreased presence of God, of catholic modesty in everyday life, a more laical life. This is not at all a contraposition of Renaissance artists and the Church. It is only the fact that some artists celebrated the religion this time with naked bodies, nearer to popular as well as to more cultivated comprehension (Michelangelo caused most of this scandal with Sixtine Chapel, in the most important church of Christianity). "Paganism" is therefore only a derogatory expression mainly used for propaganda purposes (and sometimes developed too) by the supporters of Controriforma, the ones who really were hostile to some precise aspects of Renaissance. I am indeed in the perhaps limited point of view of the "popular imagination", having no proofs of what was (correctly, IMHO) removed. I only record that Renaissance was really repeatedly financed by the Church. Also, I am thinking of Beato Angelico...

The article however still should need some revision and perhaps NPOVed a little. Gianfranco

Source material work

I added the link to the actual letter from his father replacing the wiki entry to letter since that isn't in support of the article. I know there are other places where the choice of wikification is odd, like indulgences instead of a link to the 95. I am not a good cadidate for Martin Luther NPOV articles, since my personal PoV thinks little of Luther. Dominick 15:42, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Boy in pudding sources

I cant find a source for the boys jumping out of pudding, or the massive hemmeroid story. I think it is a legend, probably an ancient creation. If someone wants to look too, perhaps we can find SOME factual basis. Dominick 15:02, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Rank plagiarism

Significant text of this article is quoted directly from the [ 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica]. For example, compare

Leo, meanwhile, felt the need of staying the advance of the warlike sultan, Selim I., who was threatening western Europe, and made elaborate plans for a crusade. A truce was to be proclaimed throughout Christendom; the pope was to be the arbiter of disputes; the emperor and the king of France were to lead the army; England, Spain and Portugal were to furnish the fleet; and the combined forces were to be directed against Constantinople. Papal diplomacy in the interests of peace failed, however; Cardinal Wolsey made England, not the pope, the arbiter between France and the Empire; and much of the money collected for the crusade from tithes and indulgences was spent in other ways. (Britannica)

Leo, meanwhile, felt the need of staying the advance of the Ottoman sultan, Selim I, who was threatening western Europe, and made elaborate plans for a crusade. A truce was to be proclaimed throughout Christendom; the pope was to be the arbiter of disputes; the emperor and the king of France were to lead the army; England, Spain and Portugal were to furnish the fleet; and the combined forces were to be directed against Constantinople. Papal diplomacy in the interests of peace failed, however; Cardinal Wolsey made England, not the pope, the arbiter between France and the Empire; and much of the money collected for the crusade from tithes and indulgences was spent in other ways. Pope_Leo_X#Plans_for_a_Crusade

The rest of the text should be checked, as huge portions cite the Encyclopedia without quotation marks. Clean Copy^talk 23:10, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

All of it is has inline citations and the reference they point to said: "This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). "Leo (popes) § Leo X" . Encyclopædia Britannica. 16 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press." (altohough I've replaced it with a slightly less ambigious "One or more of the preceding sentences incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain ....". Quotation marks are not required when PD sources are incorporated: WP:FREECOPYING. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

The first words out of my history 100 professor's mouth were: “Consider the source.” A 109-year-old encyclopedia is not necessarily a reliable source on anything. All issues of possible bias aside, our knowledge is constantly transformed by advances in technology, access to new sources, the shared fruits of years of research, and the kind of vetting of materials and information that was impossible in 1995, much less more than a century ago. Long-treasured objects and manuscripts turn out to be deliberate hoaxes and forgeries—or innocent mistakes. Translators mistake satire for fact, and the error endures for centuries. A piece of scholarly research may have been faked. And so on. That doesn't mean the 1911 Britannics isn't valuable. Quite the opposite. It describes things that have been lost forever in the course of two World Wars and other conflicts and disasterd worldwide. Even articles that have been debunked provide a useful look at the way our predecessors viewed their subjects—as well as a warning to avoid the mistakes of the past. Citations and bibliographies may prove useful, once they have been examined, if only by adding to the lists of unreliable sources. Too much of this article reads like an apologia for Leo X. One of the things it needs is a rewrite that moves sources into the text in a way that makes it possible to present the classic “On the one hand, in (citing date and source), Jones says A. On the other hand, in (citing date and source) Smith said B. On the third hand 😉, (citing date and source), Harris suggests Z.” Merry medievalist (talk) 05:07, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorted in LGBT cats

• Category:LGBT Roman Catholic popes

Pope Leo X was a LGBT Roman Catholic pope. That should be sorted in category.

• Advocate.con: 21 Gay Popes, Cardinals, and Assorted Catholic Leaders, By Jacob Ogle

--188.96.230.248 (talk) 20:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)